Life is a succession of stages and sometimes we end the stage to move into another.

Sometimes there's a clash of stages and the questions that accompany is you know when do we move on

Do we need to end something before we can start a new one?

What does it mean when we say I want to quit? And what actually propels us for change,

for doing new things in our lives, for changing our focus, for seeking novelty or

or for staying put.

So a lot of people bring these types of questions

to me, especially when it pertains

to their personal relationships.

But in this case, our focus was very clearly work.

And this was a very special conversation that I had with Ira Glass, my next guest.

I've been doing the radio show I do since the 90s and you know it's 800 episodes and I'm aware of like that what am I

spending my time on this earth doing I probably should try something new like I

don't even know what what that would be I'd really have to

like take time and figure out what would that be? How often have you done what you're doing today?

Today? Here with me now. Is this is this being interviewed or is this a therapy session?

What is this?

It's a multitude of things.

But like, how often have you done that?

Gone on somebody else's show without any idea of why you're going to talk about with some ideas of what it

could be and just kind of showed up because you're curious that's the main reason

why you came, no? Yes. Yes.

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