Hi everybody and welcome to In Good Company. I'm Nicola Tangen, the CEO of the Norwegian Southern

Wealth Fund. And today I'm in particularly good company with Saul Pellmutter, who I would argue

easily is the cleverest person we ever had on the podcast. Because Seoul won the Nobel Prize

in physics for discovering that the universe expands at an increasingly rapid pace.

Now, you also written a book called Third Millennium Thinking,

which teaches us how to use scientific method in order to navigate

this increasingly uncertain world. So, so, big welcome to this podcast.

Thank you. It's good to be here.

I thought we could start with a book and kind of the scientific thinking. So what is third millennium thinking? Well, it's a bit of a odd name because what we really want to capture is the direction in which

we think the best of our scientific style of thinking has been helping our whole society

be able to do better in working through problems together.

And we want to try to capture what does that really look like so that people can realize

that there's so many elements that they could all be using in their day to life, and also they could be using when they're

talking to other people and working out problems together. And in some sense, I'd say that

we've learned by now how to solve really dramatic problems and difficult problems and

interesting problems in the world. The one that I feel is the left problem that we can make a huge difference if we can solve is just how to talk to each other, how to work problems out together, so that we can actually use all these other techniques that we've learned. Because the first time I met, when we spoke, you said, you know, Nikolai, we can now solve all the problems in the world. You know, climate, how to feed people, but we don't manage to because we don't talk to each other.

I mean, it's remarkable. I think we actually live at an incredible moment in history and prehistory and in fact, you know, maybe even cosmic history, where we are the first generations on this planet

who have the ability to solve planetary-sized problems.

I think, you know, the idea that there could be a pandemic and we actually know what to do about a pandemic.

We have billions of people living on the planet

many more than when we were children.

And we, at the time when we were children,

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