Hi, this is Jane Garvey. This is the Woman's Hour podcast, the 17th of May 2019.

Today we're going to be chewing over some of the events of the week, the cancellation

of the Jeremy Kyle show. We'll look at the move to ban abortion in Alabama. How many

ovens should you have if you, particularly if you fancy being Prime Minister? And all

this will be discussed by the journalist Helen Lewis by the neuroscientist Sophie Scott

and by the podcast at Talani Shunai. So they're all our guests on the program today. We

also have the last in a series of features about mental health today, living with emotionally

unstable personality disorder, also known as borderline personality disorder. Today you'll

hear from Hannah, a listener who contacted the program. So Hannah's story, Hannah's experience

part of Woman's Hour today. Now in June of last year, the Saudi authorities lifted the

country's ban on women driving. And you won't have forgotten there was enormous international

publicity about this, a real fanfare. But some of the most active campaigners for that change

were not around to join in the celebrations. They'd been arrested the month before. When

the women appeared in court, some of them said they'd been electrocuted, flogged and sexually

harassed in prison. Allegations which I should say the Saudi authorities deny. Recently

seven women have been released and are currently on trial. If they're found guilty of charges

related to their alleged activism, then they are going to go back to prison. We have tried

to contact the Saudi Embassy in London this morning, but we didn't have any luck there. I'm sure.

If they're listening, they'll know that we'd very much welcome their contribution. If they want

to contact us, they can do so anytime they like. But somebody who has made themselves available

today, Rothner Begum from Human Rights Watch. Rothner, good to see you again. How are you?

Now, tell us exactly what went on, first of all, when the women were arrested. Because this was,

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