Hi there, I'm Chris Duffy, host of How to Be a Better Human, another TED podcast.

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On our podcast, you'll hear from guests and TED speakers who might just make you a better human,

from standing up for what you believe in to challenging conventional wisdom, embracing rejection,

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Hey worklifers, it's Adam Gran. Welcome back to Taken for Granit, my podcast with the TED Audio

Collective. I'm an organizational psychologist. My job is to think again about how we work,

lead, and live. Today, my guest is Satya Nadella, chairman and CEO of Microsoft, where he's

worked since 1992. Satya's widely admired for transforming the culture, building the cloud

business, and steering a 700% gain in shares. His approval rating on Glassdoor is nearly perfect,

and this conversation will give you a sense of why. He exudes care, curiosity, and humility.

He's also a big fan of cricket and poetry, and as a computer scientist, of course he loves data,

and Microsoft has gathered quite a bit on the future of work. So enjoy.

There was a time, and I'm not going to locate it, but you can. When Microsoft was externally known

for a lot of internal competition, forced rankings that pitted people against each other were pretty

popular, and you came in and challenged that dynamic and said, look, we want to collaborate,

we want to be one Microsoft. Can you help us understand how you made that change real?

Being essentially the first non-founder CEO, I felt the real need to in some sense re-found

the company, borrowing a phrase that read Hoffman users, which I like a lot, because from time to time,

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