Hi there, I'm Chris Duffy, host of How to Be a Better Human, another TED podcast.

Most of us want to be better, but we're not quite sure where to begin, and our show is here to help.

On our podcast, you'll hear from guests and TED speakers who might just make you a better human,

from standing up for what you believe in to challenging conventional wisdom, embracing rejection,

or finding gratitude every day, our show is your guide to becoming a little less terrible.

Not that you're terrible right now, I think you're great, but on something me become a little less

terrible and maybe you'll pick up something along the way. You can find How to Be a Better Human

wherever you're listening to this.

Hey worklifers, it's Adam Grant. Welcome back to Taken for Granite, my podcast with the TED audio collective.

I'm an organizational psychologist. My job is to think again about how we work, lead, and live.

Thanks to Deloitte for sponsoring this episode. My guest today is Eva Duverne.

She's the trailblazing filmmaker behind Selma, A Wrinkle in Time, and when they see us.

She's been the first black female director to win Sundance and be nominated for best picture at The

Oscars. She's been named one of the time's most influential people and her arts and social impact

collective, Array, has won a Peabody Award. Eva's the executive producer and host of the new HBO

Max Docu series, One Perfect Shot, where she joins other great directors to deconstruct their most

iconic images. I'm a huge Eva fan. I use her work to teach leadership and creativity.

And as you're about to see, she's a force as a leader and a creator.

Eva, welcome. Thank you. Thank you for having me. I am so overjoyed to have you here. I've

been a fan of your work for a long time. This is a lot of pressure for me. Why? Because you're a

director. Like shouldn't you be guiding me on how to do this? I'm prepared to do it if necessary.

Okay good. So what notes do you have so far? You're doing great so far.

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