There are more ways than ever to listen to History Daily ad-free. Listen with Wondry Plus in the Wondry app. As a member of NoisorPlus at noisor.com or in Apple Podcasts, or you can get all of History Daily plus other fantastic history podcasts at IntoH I like smart people. I love those moments when ordinary conversation, whether it's around the water cooler or at a party, maybe an inline at a grocery store, when ordinary conversation becomes something more and unexpected

as a smart person shows up. They'll add a bit of witty humor, craft a sentence that's just

perfect, or bring a new idea or perspective to the table, and then you lean in. A few months ago,

I was prepared for some very ordinary conversation at a podcast convention I was attending.

Conversations about content creation, about monetization, about industry this and industry that.

Often important, but rarely interesting.

That is, until I bumped into Chris Winterbauer, he's the host of the podcast we're sharing today,

What Went Wrong, which covers Hollywood's most notoriously disastrous movie productions,

digging into all the behind-the-scenes insanity, the egos, the accidents, and the reasons why

making a movie, let alone a good one, is nearly impossible. I found Chris fascinating, very

sharp, someone who not only knows his stuff, which is movies, but also whose thinking is agile and

creativity is feckoned, someone who might use the word feckoned naturally, a word that means

producing abundantly. So of course, I devoured his podcasts after meeting him, and now you get

the delight of discovering them, too. The episode we're presenting today is a primer of sorts for a discussion of the 2002

Danny Boyle flick 28 days later. And in it, Chris explores zombies, from their birth in the Caribbean

amidst the horrors of the Atlantic slave trade, to their high-speed, globalized modern incarnations.

It turns out zombies are an endlessly adaptable representation of our evolving

societal fears. I hope you enjoy. While you're listening, be sure to search for and follow

what went wrong. We put a link in the show notes to make it easy for you.

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