Hi, Bill Crystal here. Welcome to Bullwork on Sunday. I'm joined today by my colleague Sarah Longwell,

author of the bestselling book, even though it's not coming out in six months. How does that work? That's really impressive, you know? I don't know. You know, honestly, I was giving him a hard time because I was like, I can't not talk about this on the podcast. And on like the number of times I want to begin a sentence with, well, I talk

about this in the book. And, you know, and like there's points that I'm making or lots of big themes that I've seen that I'd like to get into, but you know, you're not allowed to talk about it until it's live. They're like, do not talk about this book until there is a place for somebody to go and buy it.

And so I was like, can we get this up?

And the thing is, I will say the book is more, until there was a place for somebody to go and buy it. And so I was like, can we get this up?

And the thing is, I will say the book is more or less written. I think that there's, you know, JVL is

my editor. He wrote the foreword. The biggest thing that I would say we're doing now in the next

six months is like there's a point at which

you have to lock it. Like it's done done and they can't mess with it. But the most stressful part

is so much of the analysis, which obviously is around the voters and what they think and what I've

seen over the last eight years, how I've seen voters shift, what are the things that have moved

them, what is persuasive to them. But you know, I got stuff on foreign policy and it doesn't take into the fact that like,

we've gone to war.

And so I think that the biggest difficulty is not being overtaken by events to such a degree

that things don't feel like they resonate in the moment because the world

changes a lot fast. And so that is like one of the things I've had to be the most careful of.

And I'm trying to sort of continue to add to it because I'm still focus grouping all the time.

I'm still watching it to try to keep it as close to the moment as possible.

Yeah, that makes sense.

I guess you shouldn't go crazy. I mean, you'll understand books get published at certain moments and that events happen. As long as Trump is still around and he's president and we're dealing with Trump and Trumpism and, of course, the experiences you've had over the last decade and before, for that matter, which you discussed in the book, are no change. So I think you're pretty safe.

But yeah, you will have to update a bit.

So, okay, title of the book?

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