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You know what that music means.

It's Thursday.

It's the bookcase with Kate and Charlie Gibson.

And that was my best impression of our theme music.

I am Kate Gibson and you are very glad I'm not a singer.

And I'm Charlie Gibson.

And it's hard music to, it's it's, it's kind of electronic.

I like the music. Anyway, I'm welcome you as well. Charlie Gibson here. We've been doing this now

for more than two years and we still awkwardly get into each show. We've got a book today,

which Kate and I called each other and said,

you've got to read this. Really interesting. I don't know what it is. It's called A Better World.

Sarah Langen is the author. She's a wonderful talker, as you'll find out. But we were confused

as to how you sort of categorized this book. At different times,

as I began it, I thought it was one thing when I finished it. I thought it was another.

What did you think, Kate? When I started it, I thought to myself, oh, this is going to be a

great sort of dystopian mystery where I'm constantly trying to figure out what's going on,

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