Hey everybody. Welcome to the Muckrake podcast. I'm your co-host Jared Yates Sexton.

Unfortunately, my co-host, Nick Halseman, is still enjoying a much-deserved, much-earned vacation,

a little bit of rest and relaxation before we get to what is looking like a calamitous presidential election in November,

but have no fear.

He will be back next week.

In fact, tonight, which is actually October 22nd, you'll be listening to this on October 23rd.

Tonight, he's actually going to join me on some Patreon exclusive coverage of the second presidential debate between Donald Trump and Joe Biden.

If you want some of this exclusive content, all you have to do is become a patron at patreon.com slash muckrake podcast.

I promise we make it worth it.

But we will be covering that next week when Nick makes his triumphant and much Ballyhood return to the Muckrake podcast. In his absence, we have a

very special guest today, the one, the only Sarah Kinseyer, the author of

hiding in plain sight, and one of the few people in the world with a platform and everything

to lose who has gone on the record calling Donald Trump the existential threat that he is. We're going to get to that conversation

in a minute. And I think it was a really good conversation, really well worth your time.

Sarah has a lot to say, not just about the moment, but some advice on what to do moving forward,

ways that we can make this country better and

pull back from this fascistic abyss, as well as advice on what we should be expecting on

election night, or as she calls it, election season, which just repeating that makes my skin

crawl a little bit, but I know that it's absolutely true that

we need to gird ourselves for a major moment, a catastrophe, if you were, and hope like hell

that we get something better and that we get an actual real election that reflects the will

of the American people.

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