Welcome to the global phenomenon, Surviving the Survivor, where we bring you the best guests in all of true crime.

Here's your host, Emmy Award-winning journalist Joel Waldman.

What's up, STDST.S. Nation and welcome to another episode of Surviving the Survivor, the

podcast that promises to bring you the very best guests in all of true crime.

Coming to you from the Fisher Price Hotel

with Fisher Price Wi-Fi.

So bear with me.

That's why we had no open to the show. There you go. What a wild day in court.

Obviously today was the day that Sar Sarah Boone took the stand.

We're going to jump right into it.

A big hello to Susan Constantine.

She is the founder of the Human Behavior Lab.

She is a jury consultant, a human behavior lab shoes a jury consultant a human behavior expert

Susan you have a new book coming out real soon what is the title when are people

can be able to find it's called how to spot a liar in seven seconds or less.

Teaching people how to spot liars and criminals and predators.

And it's coming out in July 2025.

July of 2000, there you go.

There you go, there you go, and that's an important book.

I'm gonna have to definitely pick that one up.

Going clockwise here, Ryan Vest Vestio he's a victim's attorney and he's a

former homicide prosecutor right here in Orange County I hope you're hearing me as I see the Wi-Fi flicker.

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