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Welcome to the Eric Mitaxas show with your host Eric Mitaxas.

Hey folks, part of the fun of this program is I get to have conversations with people that I think of as friends,

whether it's by Skype or actually in person over the years.

I've just been to so many parts of this country and made so many wonderful friends.

Two of them are Steven Sarah Berger, who passed her to church in Leapers,

fork, Tennessee, and we've just, I don't know how many times I've been there.

And Sarah has a book out called Hope in the eleventh hour, a mother's journey through grief with

eternal eyes. Sarah Berger, my friend, welcome. Thank you so much friend. I'm so honored.

I'm so honored to be on the show. This is, I know the story of your losing your 19-year-old

son. You said happened about 13 years ago, but the fact that you've written about it,

it doesn't really get more important than this. So tell us your story. Tell my audience your

story of what happened. I don't know how many years you and Steve have been married, how many

kids you have, but give us the background on the story. Okay, well the background of the story

would be, well for one, Steven, I've been married 35 years. We moved across the country from California

to Tennessee, planted the church, and pastored it for 26 years, and passed the baton actually two

years ago, Eric, and are now involved with the ministry to government officials in DC with our

new nonprofit ASI. But all of that being said, we have four children. Three of them live in our local

area in Williams and County, Tennessee, and our son Josiah lives in the kingdom and has been,

I'm sure, with joy for the last 13 years. Yeah. It's unbelievable. I remember when I heard that story,

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