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Sara Moller on NATO at 75

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🗓️ 19 April 2024

⏱️ 60 minutes

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NATO recently had its 75th birthday. And many say its trajectory traces the adage, “the more things change, the more they stay the same.” That is, at least in some ways, NATO has returned to its original mission of collective self-defense. This means the alliance is concentrating less on out-of-area operations that have occupied much of its focus since the end of the Cold War. The transition comes at a time when many are questioning the U.S.’s long-term commitment to its NATO allies, especially in light of former President Trump’s recent comments about burden sharing within the alliance. 

Lawfare Research Fellow Matt Gluck discussed NATO’s current and likely future posture with Sara Moller, Associate Teaching Professor in the Security Studies Program at Georgetown University. They spoke about NATO’s role in the war in Ukraine, the alliance’s focus in the Indo-Pacific, and how NATO is balancing arms control with maintaining strong nuclear deterrence.

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There are historical linkages, right, certainly for France and the UK, but there are also strong economic ties and I think it also speaks and connects back to this

0:46.6

this question of the rules-based order right if you have actors who regardless of where they are located are jeopardizing that order,

0:58.0

then some would argue that NATO should take a position on that and if you look at the

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preamble of the Washington Treaty right the language is quite clear and this is why

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the alliance is often called a political and military alliance, right, because it is meant to uphold the principles of the role of law and support for democracy.

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I'm Matt Gluck, research fellow at Law Fair, and this is the Law Fair

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podcast April 19th, 2024. NATO recently had its 75th birthday and many say its

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trajectory traces the adage, the more things change, the more they stay the same.

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That is, at least in some ways, NATO has returned to its original mission of collective

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self-defense.

1:42.4

This means the alliance is concentrating less on out-of-area operations

1:46.1

that have occupied much of its focus since the end of the Cold War. The transition comes at a time

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when many are questioning the U.S.'s long-term commitment to its NATO allies,

1:55.7

especially in light of former President Trump's recent comments about burden sharing within the alliance.

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I discuss NATO's current and likely future posture with

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Sarah Moller, Associate Teaching Professor in the Security Studies program at

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Georgetown University. We spoke about NATO's role in the war in Ukraine.

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The Alliance's focus in the Indo-Pacific,

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