And so Sanford Biggers is an artist who says that when he's in the studio, things can get kind of crazy.

I feel like you're very cool, right? And I said to say, I don't know if I see like you

having that moment in the studio where you're sort of pulling your hair out and you're like,

ah, like how am I gonna make this what it is in my head?

And it's not coming out, right?

Come on, Samver, get your shit together.

And like, do you have those moments where you're freaking?

Man, it gets so brutal in the studio.

It's all pain in the studio.

It is all pain.

Tell me about it.

Days with no sleep, losing weight, joint cramps, panic moments where I'm like this thing sucks and

then I'm gonna do something rash to it and now I'm really fucked because like I

don't know what's gonna to happen with his piece anymore.

And then I look back at my pictures of what I did three weeks go on the same piece.

I was like, man it was done three weeks ago. What did I just do? I just killed this thing.

So now I got to dig myself out of the hole and I got a deadline.

The shippers are coming and I'm not going to sleep for another three nights.

Oh, it's all pain. That's why I'm so cool when I'm not in the studio.

Because the studio. Yeah, exactly.

It's rough.

I mean, that's the other reason I'm like,

...