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Proxy with Yowei Shaw

Sandy and the Silence

Proxy with Yowei Shaw

Yowei Shaw

Personal Journals, Society & Culture

4.8589 Ratings

🗓️ 26 August 2025

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Summary

An Emotions Beat investigation about what silence sounds like when your rights are under attack. 

After Trump’s reelection, Sandy Ernest Allen watched attacks on trans rights escalate — and waited for more cis people to say something. Check in. Show up. Make noise. But mostly, he heard silence.

Then Sandy did something counterintuitive. Instead of asking why people didn’t care, he asked cis people what made them start caring about trans rights. Hundereds of people answered.

In this episode, Yowei and Sandy investigate what’s hiding inside the silence: overwhelm, shame, fear of saying the wrong thing or looking performative, and the dangerous assumption that someone else will handle it. And Sandy makes the case for allyship that is loud, imperfect, and badly needed.


From the episode: 

— Sandy Ernest Allen — writes the newsletter What's Helping Todaywww.sandyernestallen.com

— "To Cis People Who Feel Despair" Sandy's guide to supporting trans people

— The post on Bluesky: @sandyernestallen

— Support Sandy's writing: https://buymeacoffee.com/sandyallen 


New to Proxy? Try Bisexual Wife Guy for a classic case, or Nicole Can’t Stop Being Aggro for another story about what it takes to keep caring when the world is horrifying. 


For episode liner notes, show gossip, and dispatches from the emotions beat, get our free newsletter File Under Feelings at proxyhq.org.

Proxy is an independent show, supported mostly by listeners. Paid members get bonus episodes, ad-free listening, live Proxy hangs, and the satisfaction of keeping emotional investigative journalism alive 🍏

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Get in touch — proxythepod@gmail.com

Transcript

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0:00.0

Ever wondered why some trends are just suddenly everywhere?

0:05.1

Newsflash, nothing gets popular by accident.

0:09.0

I'm Brittany Luce, and on the It's Been a Minute podcast, I take the things you and I are both obsessing over

0:14.3

and show you the invisible forces behind the scenes that make us love it or hate it.

0:19.8

Be smarter about what you're consuming. Listen to the

0:22.8

It's Been a Minute podcast today. Hey everybody, it's YoA. If you're new to proxy, welcome. On proxy, we do

0:33.8

something called emotional investigative journalism. We take on cases where we help guests with the conundrum by connecting them with a proxy to talk to.

0:42.7

And we also report on emotional questions that are on our minds.

0:46.8

That's what we're doing today.

0:48.6

We're on the emotions beat.

0:50.2

We're on the emotions beat. be. Sandy Ernest Allen is a journalist I admire, who writes about mental health and gender

1:09.1

in really smart, devastating, and often funny ways.

1:13.3

I've been kind of cispassing for a year or two, but like I don't know how to do it yet.

1:18.9

I'm still figuring out like, what is small talk as a man?

1:23.5

What have you learned?

1:25.1

I would say primarily men are allowed to say nothing.

1:28.6

It's like my main finding so far.

1:32.4

Like I was at a children's birthday party and, you know, it's chaos and all these people, all this stuff going on, right?

1:37.7

And then on the edge, there's just a few dudes.

1:40.6

They don't talk to each other.

1:41.8

And you can just kind of like stand next to them. You

1:45.0

don't have to say anything. But let's say when I was a high femme woman, right? Like let's say

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