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Hey everybody, it's Sam from the British House. On this week's interview episode, I talked to

Andy Greenberg, he's a senior writer at Wired. He just wrote a book called Sandworm, a new era of

cyber war, and the hunt for the Kremlin's most dangerous hackers. It is all about a hacking group

inside of the Russian government called Sandworm. They were responsible for some of those damaging

cyber warfare attacks over the past year. They were behind NAPPETCHIA, the hack that took out

the mayor's shipping line, they took out hospitals across the UK. Sandworm has totally escalated

what we think of as cyber war. Andy's book gets all into how they were discovered, how they were

flushed out the intricacies of these various hacks. The conversation was super interesting. The book

is like a thrill ride. If you're looking for something that isn't the virus, this is like a thriller.

I highly recommend it. It was really fun to talk to Andy Greenberg about this stuff. One thing I

want to note, we're all at home. So during this interview, you might hear some kids in the background.

I ask you to just be a little forgiving of that. We're all dealing with it. Andy was a great

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