From the New York Times, this is the interview. I'm Lulu Garcia Navarro.

One of the most freeing parts of being a woman in middle age is letting go of all the stuff

that weighed you down earlier in your life. By this point, we've achieved quite a bit,

we've learned quite a bit about who we are.

And we've also learned quite a bit about ignoring those who would try and limit us. We're kind of

whittling ourselves down to what matters. Actor Sandra O. knows all about that journey.

She's best known for the 10 seasons she spent on Grey's Anatomy, playing the career-defining

role of Dr. Christina Yang. After she left the show, she then played Eve Palastry in Killing Eve,

an intelligence operative in the UK tasked with tracking and elusive and entrancing female assassin.

And this summer, she'll be on stage in Shakespeare in the Park in New York City.

She's playing Olivia in 12th night.

None of those characters were originally written to be played by an Asian woman.

But O has broken barriers and paved the way from many of the Asian actors who have followed.

Even as she says now in her 50s, she's still processing what it took to get

there. As we do regularly on the show, I sat down with O twice. The first time was in front of a

live audience at the Tribeca Festival. The second was a few days later, just the two of us. We talked

about her career, aging, DEI, and for the first time publicly, she read from

her personal diaries about key moments in her life and how she looks back on them now. Here's

my conversation with Sandra O.

Thank you. This is exciting.

This is how we were on the couch, the backstage.

We just had a conversation on the couch, which was we went deep fast.

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