Welcome back to Hot Takes and Deep Dives.

This is Jess and I am joined for the third time by Tony Trias.

You most likely remember him as a co-host of MLVC The Madonna Podcast, which I fully endorse,

and he was here twice before. You and Stefan, your co-host, we did a Madonna Deep Cuts debate episode

and you and I did an episode dedicated to the Madonna tell-all written by her brother.

Yes, that was really fun and I've gotten so much great feedback from from that episode,

so I'm excited to be back. Thank you for having me, Jess.

Now, today, I would like to welcome everyone to what I am calling our Sandra Bernhard,

Shobis Glamour Power Hour. I love it. Sandra Paloza.

So, one might wonder why isn't Sandra Bernhard here? Why isn't just an interview with Sandy?

Why don't we have her here? Exactly. I mean, she's literally blocks away.

She's literally, but she's roughly seven blocks away, and the answer is,

I have no fucking idea. It's a great question. It'll probably happen eventually,

but not today. Not today. Not today, Satan.

And, you know, we've had closing counters with her, which I'm sure we'll get into

before the end of this episode. And sometimes it is fun to truly do a deep dive on somebody

without, because like, what am I going to ask, you know, it can get a little, you know,

she'd be like, all right, enough. Yeah. But we're not, you're not going to say

all right, enough. No, and this is something that I've wanted to do for so long,

because there were so many times in my life that I just did not have anyone to talk about Sandra

with, you know, because, you know, she elicits a very strong reaction from people you either love her

or you don't, right? Are you able to trace back when you first discovered her, and then when

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