San Francisco v. EPA
5-4
Prologue Projects
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🗓️ 18 March 2025
⏱️ 42 minutes
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Summary
How much poop is in our water? The Supreme Court says “not enough.”
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| 0:00.0 | We'll hear argument now in case 23-753, the city and county of San Francisco versus the Environmental Protection Agency. |
| 0:11.4 | Hey, everyone. This is Leon from Prologue Projects. On this episode of 5 to 4, Peter, Riannon, and Michael are talking about San Francisco v. EPA. |
| 0:22.8 | This is a case from just a few weeks ago about environmental regulation. |
| 0:26.8 | And more specifically, how much garbage and human waste a sewage treatment plant is allowed |
| 0:31.5 | to dump in the water supply. The case centers on the sewage system in San Francisco, |
| 0:36.6 | which, during heavy rains, can exceed its capacity, resulting in overflows that empty out into public waterways. |
| 0:43.2 | That discharge has pollution like trash. It also has sewage, raw sewage, and bacteria. |
| 0:50.6 | And it can have all kinds of things like syringes and condoms. |
| 0:54.6 | As you might imagine, the EPA's guidelines seek to impose limits on the pollution level in the water. |
| 1:00.5 | San Francisco sued the EPA over these guidelines, claiming that they were insufficiently concrete and therefore unenforceable. |
| 1:08.1 | The Supreme Court agreed. |
| 1:10.4 | This is 5 to 4, a podcast about how much the Supreme Court sucks. |
| 1:19.6 | Welcome to 5 to 4, where we dissect and analyze the Supreme Court cases that have caused our civil rights to collapse like the stock market under Donald Trump. |
| 1:29.3 | I'm Peter. I'm here with Riannon. Hey. And Michael. Hey, Peter, you got your eye on your portfolio? |
| 1:36.4 | Always, baby. Always. |
| 1:39.4 | Have 401Ks in the tank. I'm always wheeling and dealing. Line goes up. Line goes down. |
| 1:44.3 | I'm all over it either way. |
| 1:47.3 | Oh, it's so bad. |
| 1:48.4 | Oh, did you all see that? |
| 1:49.3 | Like, there's a Donald Trump past tweet for every occasion. |
| 1:53.6 | And so he tweeted, God knows how long ago during the Obama. |
| 1:58.9 | I think he was Obama. |
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