And the Hey, it's Andrew Clavin, with this week's interview, which is with Adam Plantinga.

He's a San Francisco Police Sergeant.

He wrote a non-fiction book called 400 Things Cops No.

The Wall Street Journal called it The New Bible for Crime Writers,

and I have used it a lot of times.

One Amazon reviewer, he tells me, called it kind of interesting but maybe a little overpriced.

However, he has written his first novel, The Assent, and I have been reading it and it is really good. I would not kid you it is well written the hero you will love the hero and I can't wait to talk to him

Adam thanks for coming on. Thanks for having me, I appreciate it.

So I have to ask you before we start talking,

I want to talk to you about the novel,

I want to talk to you about 400 things, which is just a terrific book.

You know, last week I was talking about my friend Otto Penzler, who's one of the great, I don't know if you've met him yet, I'm sure you will eventually.

Oh, I know the name. Yeah, he's one of the great mystery editors and he got cancelled in Poucher-Con for, you know,

untoward opinions basically and for asking some untoward questions.

You do not strike me as a person who kind of keeps your opinions to yourself.

You always seem to me to be fairly blunt and outspoken.

You've written to me about my books, and you've shown up here, which will be the end of your career of course

So I'm wondering well go down swinging

Was it was it difficult to get the ascent published you know know it came out at sort of an interesting time. You know,

when I was talking to folks in the book business, this was a little after George Floyd, Black Lives Matter, you know, a time of

protests and sort of upheaval. And I got the sense that maybe a novel with sort of a two-fisted cop hero might not necessarily find a home.

But I had an idea of the kind of book I wanted to write and I wasn't really interested in writing a sort of a message book. I wanted to write a thriller to entertain people. Yeah, I think I think that sort of pendulum has swung back a little ways

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