I have in my old life lost most of the people I ever loved, one way or another, usually before their time.

And so one thing I would tell the average Joe, per se, no pun intended, is stop trying to solve problems with home runs and start stacking single bricks, one single brick every morning, and that wall will virtually build itself.

You know, Seneca used to say, like, the one thing you should be selfish with is your time

because we all have the same amount of it.

Whether you look to 100 or 30, what you have is what you have.

It's important to stay present, stay connected, and be very purposeful with how we use our time.

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All right, Joe Descena here, CEO and founder of Spartan and host the Hardway podcast.

I got my buddy James Perret on.

You've seen him.

If you haven't seen him, you've been living under, I would say him to Iraq, but bow and arrow

probably applies better to James.

He geeks out, his words, he geeks out on ancient wisdom when it comes to training and

fitness and mindset, which, you know, I think that's where we come together and click. Welcome

aboard. Thanks for having me, Joe. You had a pretty easy life, unlike some of the other guests

I've had. Tell us about your upbringing. Yeah, so I was,

I'm kind of a unique offspring of an Appalachian bear hunter and a Japanese woman. I grew up in a

pretty rural environment in Northern California, had some turbulence and chaos in my youth,

like many kids, and went pretty hard, pretty young into drugs and crime

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