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Samuel Brown is an attending physician in a shock trauma intensive care unit. Thus, it is interesting that it was cancer in his wife's eye that changed his outlook on life.

In his new book, Where the Soul Hunters Brown writes,

I love my wife with my whole soul, the painful betrayal of her body by the cancer cells of her eye is her story to tell, not mine. Still, the reality stands, light and grace have gained easier access to my broken heart than to my comfortably proud one.

My heart and mind have been remade in tragedy. Today, we talk with Sam and his wife, Kate Holbrooke, about the change of heart, Sam experienced, and how it reshaped their family.

Samuel Brown is associate professor of pulmonary and critical care medicine and medical ethics and humanities at the University of Utah, and is an intensive care physician in the Shock Trauma ICU at Intermountain Medical Center.

He has authored multiple works, including the award-winning book, In Heaven As It Is On Earth, Joseph Smith and the Early Mormon Conquest of Death, which was published by Oxford University Press in 2012.

Kate Holbrooke is managing historian of women's history for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. She holds a master's of theological studies from Harvard Divinity School and a PhD in Religious Studies from Boston University.

She and her daughter Amelia run a recipe blog called The Away Cafe, Together Sam and Kate are the parents of three children.

This is All-In, an LDS living podcast where we ask the question, what does it really mean to be All-In the Gospel of Jesus Christ?

I'm Morgan Jones, and I am honored to be in the home of Samuel Brown and Kate Holbrooke. Thank you so much for having us.

Glad to have you here.

Yeah, glad to have you with us. I'm Sam, by the way.

I'll call you Sam throughout the interview. I just wanted to make sure that people found the right book.

God, perfect. So speaking of your book, my coworker Emily Able wrote a beautiful feature that's going to be in an upcoming issue of LDS Living Magazine, and she summed your book up this way.

And I thought that it was so good. She said, there's so much to talk about being true to yourself and living your truth in the world that we live in today.

But Sam seems to be saying that repentance means denying our authentic self and trying to become something better through repentance.

Being authentic isn't the point. Repenet and change are the point.

And I thought that that was so good. And I just wondered, first of all, as we get into talking about this today, would you to say that that is representative of the message that Sam shares in this book?

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