Sample - Cyber Space ft Sue Gordon

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🗓️ 23 October 2020

⏱️ 15 minutes

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In this sample of the Cyber Space podcast, Sue Gordon, the former Principal Deputy Director of National Intelligence, speaks with John Carlin about her experience delivering intelligence briefings to five of the last six U.S. presidents, and why she felt she had to resign under President Trump. In the full episode, Gordon also discusses her pathbreaking 40-year career in intelligence, and the current threats to the security of the U.S. election. Cyber Space is the newest podcast for members of CAFE Insider. Every other Friday, Carlin, who led the Justice Department’s National Security Division, explores issues at the intersection of technology, policy, and law with leaders who’ve made an impact in the world of cybersecurity. To listen to the full episode and get access to all exclusive CAFE Insider content, try the membership free for 2 weeks: cafe.com/insider Sign up to receive a free weekly newsletter, featuring analysis by Elie Honig, and more: cafe.com/brief Cyber Space is produced by CAFE Studios. Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Senior Editorial Producer: Adam Waller; Audio Producer: Nat Weiner; Editorial Producer: Sam Ozer-Staton Cyber Space is produced in association with Brooklyn Law School’s BLIP clinic. Special thanks to Amanda Kadish,Isabel Agosto, Jordan Khorshad, and Motty Rivki. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hi folks, John Carlin here. As many of you know, Cyberspace is a new cafe podcast that I host
0:08.8	every other Friday. Guest who made a significant impact in the world of cybersecurity, joined
0:14.4	me to explore issues at the intersection of law, tech and policy. For this week's episode,
0:19.7	I speak with Sue Gordon. She spent nearly 40 years in government intelligence, a position in which
0:25.8	she personally briefed five of the last six US presidents. From 2017 to 2019, Gordon was the
0:33.6	principal deputy director of national intelligence where she advised President Trump. We discussed
0:38.4	her journey from studying zoology in college to joining the CIA in 1980. Her public resignation from
0:45.4	the DNI and of course election security and the growing national security challenges protect
0:50.9	our data from foreign powers. Today we're sharing a clip from the episode with listeners of Stay
0:56.8	Tuned with free. To listen to the full episode, head to cafe.com slash insider and try out the
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1:25.4	And so you went and luckily you got through that period and then you end up
1:30.4	briefing five of the last six presidents and I'll be curious how President George HW
1:37.6	Bush ended up not being on the list. But I want to get a sense a little bit when you're
1:43.7	you know when you're briefing briefing the different presidents, how do they vary in style?
1:49.3	How would you describe their different approaches to being briefed?
1:52.0	Oh, Kelly. It's just different as they are. So I actually did brief 41 when he was Reagan's vice
2:01.6	president. And he was in the room where I briefed on the Soviet civil space program.
2:11.2	And so I was a pop briefing on my area of expertise. Reagan was like a dad. He was very thoughtful.
2:24.4	He was thinking about it. He would ask his colleagues like what do you think or why did they do that?
2:28.9	And the person he turned to was George HW. And he was like the sage reasoned voice for Reagan.
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