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I'm Shemita Basu.

Today, Samin Nosrat on her new book, new traditions, and how to do Thanksgiving without stress.

It's hard to overstate the culture shift that came from Samin Nosrat's best-selling cookbook,

salt-fat, acid, heat. In it, the chef and writer laid out these four cornerstones of cooking and made the argument that anyone can cook well if they

understand how these elements work together. It was a cookbook in part about breaking free from

the recipe and following your senses. I knew that if I did it right, that those four elements would become part of the vernacular.

And they have, which is so awesome.

When the book came out in 2017, followed by the Netflix series she hosted,

it's almost overnight success catapulted Samin from being known in food circles

to being known just about everywhere.

It really got so much bigger than I ever could have dreamed of, which was wonderful.

It was such a cool ride to be on.

But I think on some very, very deep level, like a subconscious level, I hoped that maybe achieving greatness would fix something that was really sad and lonely inside of me.

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