Sam Stein: No One Trashes Trump Like His Own Team
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🗓️ 17 December 2025
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| 0:00.0 | Hey, everyone, it's me, Sam Stein. I'm here right after taping a segment on MS now with Nicole Wallace. |
| 0:06.1 | We spent a lot of time talking about this explosive piece on White House Chief of Staff, |
| 0:12.8 | Susie Wiles, that came out this morning in Vanity Fair. If you haven't seen it yet, |
| 0:17.5 | go check it out. It is two separate pieces built off of 11 separate interviews |
| 0:23.8 | that Susie Wiles conducted, the author Chris Whipple, who has written the book on White House |
| 0:29.8 | Chiefs of Staff. I'll let you watch the MS Now clip with Nicole. I'm kind of curious for |
| 0:34.8 | how you feel about what I said and also just sort of the piece in general. |
| 0:39.2 | So please drop some comments in the feed. I'll take a look at them. What struck me about the reaction to the interview is just how perplexed everyone is. |
| 0:51.2 | And we're not talking just about, you know, the Republicans. I mean, that we can spend a lot |
| 0:55.6 | time there. The general reaction from Republicans is why did she do this? Why vanity fair? What was she |
| 1:03.5 | possibly thinking? And all those are very valid questions. I actually don't really understand |
| 1:09.9 | why she chose to do this. We're talking about |
| 1:13.1 | someone who's incredibly reclusive. She doesn't do interviews. She never tweets. In fact, |
| 1:18.0 | today in response to the Vanity Fairpiece was, I believe, the first time she had posted an original |
| 1:24.2 | tweet since October 31st, 2024. It's over a year. That's a lot of time. |
| 1:30.9 | She just doesn't speak to the public. She did speak to Vanity Fair 11 separate times on the record. |
| 1:36.7 | And it's just a sort of curious decision, especially because this administration rarely works |
| 1:42.3 | with non-Maga outlets, at least in this fashion. |
| 1:47.3 | Part of me wonders if it's just because they like the alert of Vanity Fair and they really |
| 1:51.2 | just wanted to get their photos done and look all glitzy and glamorous. |
| 1:54.8 | And, you know, part of, you know, some of them think, well, Democrats get to have all |
| 1:58.6 | the fun and be in Vanity Fair. |
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