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The Bulwark Podcast

Sam Stein and Francis Fukuyama: A Coming Deportation Blitz?

The Bulwark Podcast

The Bulwark

Politics, News, News Commentary

4.68.9K Ratings

🗓️ 28 October 2025

⏱️ 83 minutes

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Summary

While the inhumane and aggressive tactics unfolding in Chicago are repelling many Americans, they are having the opposite effect among Trump's top aides. The Kristi Noem clique wants more— much more— of the Border Patrol's "Midway Blitz" around the country, and they're busy purging local ICE leadership in a number of cities in an attempt to dramatically ramp up the pace of deportations. Meanwhile, Trump keeps talking like he's all for regime change in Venezuela. Plus, how conspiracy and our phones helped fuel the rise of global populism, why the left and right yearn for a struggle in an age of peace and prosperity, and the modern effort to reclaim the word 'liberal.'

Frank Fukuyama and Sam Stein join Tim Miller.

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to the Bullwark podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. We are going to get real academic in segment two. We're going to get really deep, you know, talk about a lot of,

0:22.7

you know, types of theories. You have to be well read on when it comes to history to really process.

0:28.1

And so before we get to all that, I thought we do a little bit of rank politics with somebody

0:32.2

who's a little bit more surface level, the managing editor of the Bullwark Samstein.

0:35.9

How you doing? Good Good man. Thanks for sneaking

0:39.4

me in before Francis Fukuyama and after Bill Crystal. Was Paul Wolfowitz not available?

0:44.7

The sandwich that you always wished that you would be in the middle of, a Crystal Fukuyama sandwich.

0:50.9

Yeah, it's, um, what is your mother think? What is, what mother think? What does your doctor think about that?

0:56.9

She's a little worried.

0:59.4

This is not her sweet 2002 Samstein here.

1:04.7

It is.

1:05.1

It is the sweet Samstein.

1:06.5

You're giving us a little bit of, I don't know, kind of lefty sucker in between Frank and Bill.

1:14.5

But we're going to get dark first.

1:15.8

I want to talk about some immigration stuff with you.

1:17.8

There's a Fox News report that is, I would say, pretty alarming.

1:23.3

It goes like this.

1:24.2

Four senior DHS and Trump admin sources tell Fox that a mass removal of ICE leadership is underway with up to 12 field office chiefs being replaced in an effort to increase deportation numbers.

1:37.1

They're told the move is being spearheaded by stank breath, Corey Lewandowski.

1:42.0

Among the cities that are going to have new ice leadership, Los Angeles, Phoenix, Philly, Denver, El Paso, San Diego, Seattle, Portland, my home city of New Orleans. The report goes on. They're told their significant friction within DHS, with Tom Homan on one side, preferring to prioritize criminal aliens and the worst of the worst, while Christy Noam, the dog killer,

2:02.0

Corey Lewandowski, and Border Patrol commander, Greg Bevino, are preferring to use aggressive

2:06.5

tactics to arrest anyone in the U.S. illegally. The latter group is winning out. How does it

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