Welcome to Glad We Had This Chat with me, Caroline Hyrens. It's your one-stop shop for all things skincare, beauty and beyond.

I am so thrilled to introduce my second guest this week, all as part of our backstage special, with a hairdressing career spanning nearly five decades.

His pioneering work has graced the cover of Vogue over 200 times. A true hair genius,

he is without a doubt the most influential name in British hairdressing. Please welcome Sam

McNight. Sam, thanks for joining me.

Thank you for having me. I'm glad it's not too sunny out. Because you wouldn't be here, would you?

You'd be in your garden.

No, I'd still come. I'd give up the garden for you. Yeah. Maybe not a good tulip planting day though. No, well, that's over. But it's a good time to be planting all the perennials now. Their mind rotted in the rain at the weekend. So, you know, we've got to start again. Can we just talk about the gardening? I mean, I haven't even, obviously I have a nice list of questions and I know your history and stuff, but where did the gardening come from?

Was it literally just like a refuge from your day-to-day life, which must have been utterly mental?

Yeah, well, funnily enough, I used to live in Maida Vale, and I used to go and have a deck chair and do a little book reading hour or two in the sun in Regents Park at the end of a nice day after work or whatever.

And I used to love that.

And I'm in the Rose Garden, you know, that little bit?

And I started thinking oh I

wouldn't mind a little garden on my own because I was on a top floor flat which I loved and I think

old age kicks in and um I started thinking oh maybe I'll look for a house or a garden and I end up

finding a massive garden attached to a house and um I took the plunge and got it and that was that was 13 years ago

and it's been just in the most incredible 13 years been amazing because you are kind of known as well

in the industry among peers and stuff as mr gardening like i mean it's literally your thing you're

a lot of people follow you on insto and it's not for hair anymore is it it's It's literally pictures of flowers. Yeah, no, you're right. Although there haven't been many this spring because it was terrible. But I think for me, you're absolutely right. It's the refuge. I get asked this question sometimes. It's gardening is solitary. Whereas I'm surrounded by loads of people, loads of egosgos all day long and we love it because we all feed off each other and it's fantastic but i don't want to go to a restaurant at night i don't want to go out with people at night i mean i mean god forbid i spend my life in clubs a club god forbid and i can't even imagine that now. And I think the,

the garden is my new nightclub, I guess, but it's just me on my own and the flowers don't talk back. Yeah, and they don't have an ego. And you don't have to brush their hair. Absolutely. You don't know everyone going. Can I just have a quick touch up while you're there? I suggest who has the, I don't, I don't have the time of the patients.

How long was that your life for in terms of that intensity of show? I suggest who has the, I don't, I don't have the time of the patience.

How long was that your life for in terms of that intensity of shows and shoots?

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