Goody, humans. Welcome to Uncomfortable Conversations, the safe space for dangerous ideas. What a program today. I'll tell you. You've got lots to look forward to today.

Oh, Nelly, I'm jealous of you that I've already had this conversation and you get to enjoy it for the very first time.

It's a conversation between myself and Sam Harris.

You can probably tell that because the title of the show is uncomfortable conversations with Josh Zeps,

and the title of the episode is Sam Harris.

Therefore, through a process of deduction, you might say,

you've probably concluded that this is Josh Sepp's and Sam Harris in conversation.

I give you an award and an applause for concluding that.

Sam is a wonderful guy.

He's been on the show before.

He's one of the few people to be invited on this Auguste program more than once.

And I'm honored that he's been willing to do it more than once. I see he's been

causing some controversies lately on your social medias. I'm not sure if this is intentional. I think

he's just the type of person who people like to misconstrue and misinterpret. And he says things

without fear or favor. He is basically a philosopher's brain in a

vat. And he pays no heed to the possibility that he's framing things in such a way that a person

who wants to willfully misrepresent them can very effectively willfully misrepresent them. And I have

seen many people doing just such a thing on social media.

I would ordinarily not be inclined to have a terribly uncomfortable conversation with Sam,

because as the title of his podcast suggests, his podcast being called Making Sense,

Sam frequently makes a lot of sense. In fact, you might say

it's what he prides himself on as a philosopher and a neuroscientist. But I did want to push him

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