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start listening terms apply hello and welcome to the bulwark podcast i'm your host, Tim Miller. I just couldn't be more delighted to be here today with the host of the Making Sense podcast, a neuroscientist and author. His books include The End of Faith and Letter to a Christian Nation. It's Sam Harris. Sam, welcome to the Bullock podcast. Thank you, Tim.

Great to meet you. Man, it's good to meet you, too. I had so many people recommend to me the

Reckoning, which I guess you put on your substack and as a podcast, it was an analysis of the election

and what happened, why Kamala Harris lost. You've been a longtime anti-Trumper, like those of us at

the bulwark. And so I want to get into kind of the damn autopsy stuff. But if I think it might be more

useful to sort of back up the lens a little bit because I think you might have a different perspective

than some of us who are more in the political space about how we got here. So if that works for you, we'll just back up a little bit first.

Sure.

Yeah.

I say that because so in my world, I came from, you know, Republican politics.

And, you know, unlike many of us at the bulwark.

And like the Republican establishment types that all let us down and failed us,

essentially did this reluctantish

submission to Trump over the course of years, you know, some quicker, some slower.

But, you know, there was like a hope that maybe things could go back to normal. But like there's

another category of people that's become ascended in Trump world. It's closer to your space than mine.

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