This is the 10% happier podcast. I'm Dan Harris. All right, we're going into the deep end today, kids, with one of my favorite repeat guests and a person I

consider to be both a friend and a role model Sam Harris. Sam is an author

neuroscientist and philosopher he's the author of many best-selling books, the host of a massive

podcast called Making Sense, and the creator of a meditation app called Waking Up, which is truly an

incredible resource.

He's done a great job with that app.

As I've mentioned before, Sam was a huge part of my own meditation career.

He encouraged me early on when I was still skeptical about the practice.

In fact, he got me in to my first retreat and

personally introduced me to Joseph Goldstein, the meditation teacher, who's

become a gigantic figure in my life. I have a co-interviewer for this episode. This marks the inaugural appearance on the show of a guy named Matt Harris.

So we have three Harris on the show. Although Sam and I share our last name, we are not related Matt and I however are very closely related

he's my younger brother despite the fact maybe because of the fact that I have been

meditating for 14 years roughly and despite the fact that

Matt has been one of my closest advisors on my various books and meditation

related projects I don't know if this is despite the factor because of the aforementioned either way he's never really gotten into the practice

However that changed about a year ago when he quite suddenly got deeply interested and one of the people he's really latched onto in his own

contemplative odyssey is Sam so I thought it would be fun to have Matt join us for

this conversation heads up we have basically the same voice although he does

tend to say smarter stuff than I do, so that's maybe how you can tell us apart.

We cover a lot of ground here, including the psychological benefits of quitting Twitter,

Vipassina meditation versus Zogue Chen, which is a Tibetan flavor of meditation, a practice called

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