Welcome to Econ Talk, Conversations for the Curious, part of the Library of Economics and Liberty.

I'm your host Russ Roberts of Shalem College in Jerusalem and Stanford University's Hoover Institution. Go to Econ Talk. in to today's conversation. You'll also find our archives with every episode we've done

going back to 2006. Our email address is mail at econ talk.org we'd love to hear from you. Today is July 2nd, 2024, my guest is neuroscientist, philosopher and author Sam Harris. Sam is the host of

making sense and creator of Waking Up. This is Sam's second appearance on

a con talk. He was last here in February of 2023 talking about meditation, mindfulness and morality.

Sam, welcome back to econ talk.

Thank you, Russ. It's great to see you.

Happy to be back.

Our formal topic for today is an episode you did at making sense on the situation on U.S.

campuses.

I'm sure we'll get into other things along the way.

I want to warn parents listening with children.

This episode may touch on adult themes or language. So let's

start with the protests, although it's funny, here we are in the end of June.

Campuses are so quiet, it feels like, was that, is that like a historical event those camp encampments and it seems like it's just ancient history but I think we learned something important

but you could argue that they're not so significant. It was a small vocal minority, a lot of outsiders swelling the crowd.

Do you find it worrisome what we saw at the end of the school year?

Yeah, I do. I take your point that by sheer numbers and by a percentage of students on campus it you know the actual

details might not justify too much concern right but the the problem for me

has always been that this far left moral confusion,

you know, that goes by many names, we often call it

wokeness or, you know know a social justice moral panic I mean there's

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