Sam and some of these other people should never have been in charge of a company like this and should never have been given all this money.

That is obviously not a legal determination, but like that does speak to this culture and the milieu in which they come from and the way these businesses work and the deeply interconnected network of effective altruists and kind of libertarian Silicon Valley types and just greedy crypto investors

and stuff like that who enabled him. It is disturbing and that these types and that milieu

and that a big sector of our economy is dominated and controlled by a lot of these kinds of people.

Music kinds of people.

Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us. I'm your host, Paris Marks, and this week's guest is none other than

returning favorite Jacob Silverman. Jacob is a journalist, co-author of easy money, cryptocurrency,

casino capitalism, and the golden age of fraud, and the host of The Naked Emperor on CBC Podcast,

where I believe he's been doing some recent episodes around the San Bankman-Fried trial.

And, you know, of course, we're back from the Elon Musk series now. I really hope that

you enjoyed it. I will say there was so much work that went into putting that series together.

And you can probably see that with each passing episode, they got longer and longer as I was

trying to kind of get

more information in there. And I could have kept the series going probably for another four

episodes. But I felt that I had to end it there. And the amount of work that went into actually

putting it together was just so enormous that if I kept doing it for another four episodes, I probably would have

like had a breakdown or something. I do also want to say, you know, a special shout out to Eric Wickham,

you know, the producer of the show who put in some really late nights with me to put the show

together, you know, and he was really just essential to getting that show together, to getting it

out to you, and to putting it together just essential to getting that show together, to getting it out to you,

and to putting it together in the fantastic way that it was. So I hope that you really enjoyed it.

You know, even though it was a lot of work, I did really enjoy putting it together. I hope that

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