Hi folks, in this podcast extra, Leslie speaks to Craig Murray and to Sarah Salliers from Salvo

about their moves at both Geneva and in New York at the UN, taking forward the case for Liberation Scotland.

Across New York, Craig Murray has been lobbying pretty vigorously on Scotland's behalf.

Craig is a Scottish author, human rights

campaigner, journalist and foreign diplomat. Craig, what have you been doing in New York?

What we've been doing essentially is lobbying diplomatic missions, lobbying ambassadors and

senior diplomats from United Nations member states,

with a view to getting Scotland recognised by the United Nations as a non-self-governing territory.

And also, this for most of them, is the first time they've really heard

that there's a serious campaign for Scottish independence or a serious prospect of it

happening. It's just not particularly on your horizon if you have a representative of a South

American or an African country to the United Nations, for example. So we're at the, if you like,

the first stages of getting the argument and the explanations over to people and of making things.

Now that, I mean, Sarah has been talking about Geneva.

You've been in New York.

Are you just going everywhere the UN meets to try and bang the drum?

Yes.

Essentially, I was also in Geneva with Sir, and the Geneva side is concerned with human rights,

and obviously the human rights, as of the Scots, as a people with a right to self-determination

coming there.

That's where we emphasise that aspect.

The decolonisation process is run out of New York,

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