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The Liturgists Podcast

Salvation

The Liturgists Podcast

The Liturgists

Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

4.83.7K Ratings

🗓️ 9 September 2021

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

Does the concept of salvation have any use if we don’t see it as a ticket to some other worldly existence after we die? Does the progressive notion of “freedom” that is so related to morality, justice, money, and power imply that we should all be more like Bezos or Trump? What is enlightenment and does anybody actually get to be enlightened? These are a few of the questions we tackle in this raw and powerful conversation between Michael Gungor, Emily Capshaw, and Mason Smith.

Transcript

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0:00.0

All right.

0:03.3

Well, today we're talking about salvation.

0:08.5

And I have a question for you guys about salvation because so much talk of one sort of salvation

0:17.7

or another happens in conservative circles and progressive circles and most religious

0:24.2

circles, there's always some sort of like idea of what that means.

0:31.5

And you know, when I was a conservative, it was kind of like you're on God's team.

0:37.6

And you're in, you've got the badge, you've got the right beliefs, you've got the past,

0:42.9

the backstage past, to the universe.

0:45.7

You get to go to hang out with the creator when you die.

0:51.0

And then when I became more progressive, it became more about this world.

0:58.1

But even in that, so what would it mean if we're talking about our current lives, what

1:04.2

would salvation?

1:05.2

Is it a worthwhile concept?

1:07.4

And here's my question to just kind of get the ball rolling because so much of when

1:10.8

we think about what a good life is or what's the pinnacle of life.

1:15.4

And even when we think about helping other people and what are we moving towards?

1:20.5

That's the goal or all like we're thinking about equality and we're thinking about justice.

1:25.5

We're thinking about all the good things we want in the world.

1:28.6

What are we really aiming for?

1:29.8

I think sometimes we don't actually look too much at the end result of what we're aiming

1:34.9

for.

1:36.0

And here's a question that would help us maybe wonder if our end result is really what

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