Well, it is Max Fun Drive. We're going to get into that later. Don't you worry. But for right now,

all you got to know is this. This is the time of year where we celebrate Max Fun members, the

fam. And we remind you that this show only exists because of the fam. These folks like you support

it at five bucks a month or more. We have a lot of great stuff for you. We have a lot of

great bonus content for you. You can find out more and join up or upgrade at maximum fun.org.

Let's get into the show. Oh, you frightened me. Hi there. I'm Dave Holmes and welcome to

Troubled Waters. The show that treats popular culture as the most

important kind of culture because it's the one that's got the best popcorn buckets. To this end,

Troubled Waters pits a pair of entertainers against one another in a pop culture battle to the ego

death. To win this battle, each guest will be called upon to use their smarts, their rhetorical skills,

maybe the great comebacks they've been saving in one of those cute little field notes, notebooks,

to earn the coveted troubled waters title.

Pundit emeritus, which will automatically give their opinion on which immersive experience

they would willingly be scammed by more weight than a civilians.

I want to go to that Glasgow Waka thing in the worst freaking way.

We'll talk about it.

You're listening to Troubled Waters. Now, it is Max Fundrive, as you are probably aware.

So to celebrate, we've got two episodes dropping with Max Fun hosts, who you love.

Let's meet the first couple of them.

Our first contestant is the host of the recently added secret histories of nerd mysteries.

It's Brenda Snell.

Hello, Brenda.

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