Welcome to the liturgist podcast, everybody. My name is Michael Gunger. One of my favorite spiritual

teachers was a woman named Sally Kempton. Her writing, her courses, her energy, her beautiful

love that just radiated through her was radically transformational for me, particularly in

relationship to the divine feminine and a lot of that awakening within my body and heart,

mind. So, I was always so grateful for her teachings. She actually passed this year in July,

but before that, I was really fortunate to be able to sit down with her over Zoom this last year

and have a conversation about some of the things I was most curious about in her perspective and

in her teachings about the divine feminine, about Kundalini, about the awakening process, and how

all of it relates to Christianity in the West. So, we got to have a lot of, we got to talk about

kind of a broad swath of things in this conversation. Really grateful to have this conversation was

such a wise, powerful being. I hope you'll enjoy it as much as I did. Let's jump into it here,

Sally Kempton.

This is slightly finished. So, are you basically a Zen practitioner or are you more eclectic and you

do some Zen and it's more your own path with? I'd say after 2016, my practices are a little bit more

hodgepodge because I don't typically, I wouldn't like identify with any one path at this point, but I do,

I use sort of the practices as I find my body kind of needs whatever, whatever sort of, I use it

more like clean up and find new areas of my body to explore and stuff more than

like trying to reach some sort of spiritual table. Got it. Got it. But your work has been

incredibly powerful for me. I've done at least one or two of your teleclasses. I've read and I

almost went to a workshop that you did right before the pandemic and I think you got sick.

It was in San Francisco and I think you got sick and so I got canceled. It's lovely to

finally like sort of meet you. I think what I wanted to reason, I thought, aside from me, just like

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