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Osiris.

Welcome to Wheels Off, a show about the messy reality of the creative life.

I'm Rhett Miller.

That's when it got wheels off.

We started on when he ain't going to stop.

Oh, she made me feel like a good God.

That's when it got wheels off.

Selim Narala is very intertwined with my and the old 97's history.

So it's a little weird that I interview him for Wheels Off because we've spent hours, days, months together in studios,

on the road, as friends, as collaborators, as co-writers. It's not that I know everything about

Salim Nerala, but I know a lot. You know, I know a lot about what makes him tick. I know a lot about

where he comes from, how he stands on things, what makes him ornery, what makes him excitable,

all these things that make him who he is and make him a great artist, songwriter, creative force, producer.

Even businessman. It was interesting to me to sort of pick his brain about that because so often I'm working with him as a songwriter or a producer.

It was fascinating to hear about the things that excite him when it comes to running record labels, for instance, and approaching this weird,

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