What do you think about the claim that it was like deliberately engineered to create controversy?

Yeah, I've thought about this a lot during this discourse. I mean, like, I actually find it a really

interesting conversation in general about like the pop star and its purpose in culture, because I think

especially for the female pop star, it does feel like a right of passage, or like it does feel almost built into the title to have some sort of controversial breakthrough.

And I think like Madonna really helped to pioneer that concept.

But like, totally.

Every time Madonna released an album, there was like some sort of outcry about transgression, I guess. And I think that it just feels like a

foundational element of the pop star and what they represent in society. And I think that it always

has to do, or almost always has to do with some sort of sexual transgression that feels taboo,

that they're like breaking. And I do think that there is a deliberateness for sure people also

forget like these people are the fall women for like a massive team of people there's a creative

director that's art direction there's like actual director of the photographer there's like costume

design there's like makeup at all the stuff they don't always have like total executive control

over their image I think more and more they do ever since like the Brittany discussion. But like, yeah, I don't necessarily think someone's sitting at the end of some long table like, you know, bringing their hands together and being like, ha ha, like, and we're going to make this the most evil, malicious, like, taboo, you know, cover of all. But I do think that there's a bit of a desire to,

like, push an edge. I think that there's a lot of, like, gay men in this industry, too, who

are like, let's just make, like, you know what I mean? I don't know. I can just imagine a team of, like, really talented gay men sitting around and being, like, let's just push this. That's Addison Ray's boardroom.

No, apparently it's all women.

Oh, Fab.

Well, yeah, I think that like we forget that pop stars are products.

Like pop... boardroom. No, apparently it's all women. Oh, Fab. Well, yeah, I think that, like, we forget that pop stars are products.

Like, pop culture is, yes, they're artists, but, like, they are products for mass consumption.

And I think, I mean, even, like, Taylor Swift had that documentary where, like got to look inside like her team discussing

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