I'm Brian Hyatt. This is Rolling Stone Music Now. Today I'm talking to Amy Allen, who just scored a Grammy nomination for songwriter of the year.

She was a co-writer on every single track of Sabrina Carpenter's breakthrough album, short and a sweep, including, of course, the massive singles,presso and Please, Please, Please.

She also worked with Justin Timberlake and Tate McRae, among others.

And in September, she released her debut solo album as an artist, which is strong in its own right.

Here's my interview with Amy Ellen.

You go back a bit. you commit with you will always find a reason

You go back a bit

with Sabrina Carpenter

This album was not the first time

you work with her

What do you remember

about first meeting her

And first working with her?

The first day that I met

Sabrina, we wrote a song

Taylor called Vicious

Oh, you're so vicious love me then pretend you didn't crush my heart and wreck my...

Which I still love dearly. It was on her album, E-Mails, the one before this album.

I was so inspired by her sense of who she is and how concrete she is. She writes the way that

she talks, which I, as a songwriter, absolutely adore. Some of my favorite people that I've learned

from my whole life can write and they can be funny and they can be heartfelt and they can be

like subtle and they can be in your face and they can be all those different things happening heartfelt and they can be like subtle and they can be in your face

...