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have an interview with someone I've been anxious to talk to for a while. Daniel Nigro. Daniel just got a Grammy nomination for producer of the year,

and he's the co-writer and producer for two of the biggest and most exciting artists of the past few years,

Olivia Rodrigo and Chapel Rhone.

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