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What's it like to date a man?

Ask pop stars or your friends, and you might hear it's a struggle.

I'm Stephen Thompson, and today on NPR's Pop Culture Happy Hour,

we are bringing you an episode of It's Been a Minute.

Hosts Brittany Luce and NPR music editor Hazel Sills

break down a phenomenon called heteropessimism.

Here's Hazel and Brittany.

We are in a moment for pop music right now

where there are so many young women

making music that reflects

how women are talking about dating these days,

which is quite pessimistic.

I think that the reception to some of the, I love my man so much elements of the Taylor Swift

album is evidence.

I'm glad you brought up Taylor Swift.

You're glad?

I was like, I regretted that.

No, go ahead.

Sorry.

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