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Sabine by Mark Healy.

Episode 2.

The thing is, Sabine, about all that hippie stuff Dal went on about, is that when the veil is lifted, there's a strange kind of strength comes with it.

And that's what I feel this morning.

This great hunger to find out exactly what happened to you.

Because the more I sit with it,

there's no way you threw yourself off those cliffs.

Wait, listen to this, Els.

And so nearly every line drawn on a map today

is because of one power vanquishing another.

At the time of writing,

there are more than 20 ongoing armed conflicts around the world, all over lines on a map, some over tiny fragments of territory.

Home, Christmas lockdown.

And yet, one of the most perplexing mysteries of our time is why, when it has the entire world to fight for...

Why did you film this, Sab?

I mean, we're just chilling in your room.

It's lovely to see, and I get like you were into your Professor Oakley,

but I think I'm actually asleep on the bed there.

Okay, so you were really into the professor.

There's a whole folder here, rallies, speeches, interviews. I mean, we, all of us here understand the professor. There's a whole folder here, rallies, speeches, interviews.

I mean, we, all of us here understand the world is dying. I know that you know that.

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