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Pints with Jack: The C.S. Lewis Podcast

S9E26 – "Charles Williams Month – Weird Williams", After Hours with Dr. Sørina Higgins

Pints with Jack: The C.S. Lewis Podcast

David Bates, Matt Bush, and Andrew Lazo

Christianity, Religion & Spirituality

4.9671 Ratings

🗓️ 27 April 2026

⏱️ 66 minutes

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Summary

Today we wrap up Charles Williams Month by exploring the weirder parts of his life with returning guest, Dr. Sørina Higgins.

[Show Notes]

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0:00.0

Test everything, hold fast to what is good, abstain from every form of evil.

0:07.0

This is Pints with Jack's Season 9, Episode 26.

0:12.0

Charles Williams Month.

0:14.0

Weird Williams. Art Rouse with Dr. Serena Higgins.

0:18.0

Have you been looking, everywhere searching for a place where you belong, away from the masses

0:26.1

among clinking glasses where the hearth fire is on, let the laughter welcome you in that eagle

0:34.0

and child in, there's room at this table, so take a seat and tuck right in for Pints with Jack

0:42.3

Pints with Jack

0:45.3

Welcome friends to Pints with Jack

0:51.3

Today we wrap up Charles Williams Month.

0:55.3

And it's going to be a bit of a doozy.

0:58.3

Here on Pints with Jack, we will be stepping into an area where more timid souls fear to tread,

1:04.9

namely into the weirder and creepier parts of the life of Charles Williams.

1:10.2

We're talking secret societies, magic,

1:12.9

women, and the occult. And this is why the opening quotation was a mash-up of the New

1:18.7

Testament epistles. St. John's Pistle first telling us to test every spirit, as well as St. Paul's

1:24.7

initial letter to the Thessalonians, telling them to test everything

1:27.9

and to hold fast to what is good. And of course, there is only one possible scholar who could

1:34.2

help us navigate this sort of territory, Dr. Serena Higgins. She's been on the show a few times

1:39.5

already, and she was here just a couple of episodes ago talking about the novels written by Charles

1:43.3

Williams.

1:48.7

But in case you forgot, Dr. Sabrina Higgins is a consulting editor, author, English teacher,

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