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Pints with Jack: The C.S. Lewis Podcast

S9E22: Abolition – Retrospective, After Hours with Dr. Michael Ward

Pints with Jack: The C.S. Lewis Podcast

David Bates, Matt Bush, and Andrew Lazo

Christianity, Religion & Spirituality

4.9671 Ratings

🗓️ 31 March 2026

⏱️ 68 minutes

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Summary

We wrap-up our time with The Abolition of Man by hosting a retrospective with Dr. Michael Ward, the author of After Humanity: A Guide to C.S. Lewis’s The Abolition of Man.

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0:00.0

You cannot go on seeing through things forever.

0:06.7

The whole point of seeing through something is to see something through it.

0:11.6

It is good that the window should be transparent because the street or the garden beyond it is opaque.

0:18.4

How if you saw through the garden too? It is no use trying to see through first

0:24.4

principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent

0:31.4

world is an invisible world. To see through all things is the same as not to see. Abolition of Man, chapter three.

0:42.2

This is Pints with Jack, season nine, episode 22. The Abolition of Man retrospective.

0:51.2

After Hours with Dr. Michael Ward.

0:55.0

Have you been looking everywhere searching for a place where you belong?

1:00.4

Away from the masses among clinking glasses where the hearth fire is on.

1:06.1

Let the laughter welcome you in that eagle and child in. There's room at this table to take a seat and

1:15.3

tuck right in for Pints with Jack. Pints with Jack.

1:20.7

Pints with Jack.

1:25.7

Welcome friends to Pints with Jack for the past few months.

1:28.7

We've been walking through the abolition of man.

1:31.4

And now that we've completed the whole book, we want to consider the work as a whole.

1:36.0

And who would be better to be our guide than the man whose research we've been stealing this entire season?

1:41.7

Former guests of the show, author of After Humanity Dr. Michael Ward.

1:48.0

Woo!

1:50.6

The Reverend Dr. Michael Ward is an English literary critic and theologian, best known for

1:55.8

his book Planet Narnia, the seven heavens in the imagination of C.S. Lewis, in which he argues that the

2:02.3

chronicles of Narnia are structured to embody and express the imagery of the seven heavens

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