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Pints with Jack: The C.S. Lewis Podcast

S9E20 – Abolition – Ch. 3, Pt. 3 ("The Magician's Bargain")

Pints with Jack: The C.S. Lewis Podcast

David Bates, Matt Bush, and Andrew Lazo

Christianity, Religion & Spirituality

4.9671 Ratings

🗓️ 17 March 2026

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

Matt leaves Andrew and David to wrap up the final part of The Abolition of Man where Lewis talks about “The Magician’s Bargain”.

[Show Notes]

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You will even find people who write about the 16th century as if magic were a medieval survival and science the new thing that came in to sweep it away.

0:12.0

Those who have studied the period know better.

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There was very little magic in the Middle Ages.

0:18.0

The 16th and 17th centuries are the high noon of magic. The serious

0:23.4

magical endeavor and the serious scientific endeavor are twins. One was sickly and died, the other

0:31.2

strong and throve. But they were twins. They were born of the same impulse.

0:38.8

This is Pints with Jack, season 9, episode 20. The Abolition of Man.

0:44.9

Chapter 3, The Abolition of Man, Part 3, The Magicians Bargain.

0:51.1

Have you been looking, everywhere searching for a place where you belong?

0:56.0

Away from the masses among clinking glasses where the hearth fire is on.

1:02.0

Let the laughter welcome you in that eagle and child din.

1:07.0

There's room at this table, so take a seat and tuck right in.

1:11.6

Pints with Jack, Pints with Jack.

1:16.6

Pints with Jack.

1:22.6

Well, welcome, friends, to Pints with Jack.

1:25.6

As we were wrapping up the last episode, Matt dropped

1:29.4

off to take his wife to the hospital as her contractions were starting to pick up. So I'm guessing

1:34.9

you'd like to know how that ended. Well, they came home again. It was a false alarm. Then they

1:42.8

went back to the hospital a few days later,

1:45.0

and we have a birth to celebrate. So today, Matt is at home looking after Mary, Margaret,

1:51.3

and their brand new baby. So he's doing well. How are you doing? I'm doing great. Do you think we

1:59.2

should tell the name or let Matt do it?

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