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Get $20 off your first purchase at Rafi's.com slash Made for this. Well guys two years ago I actually interviewed Jim Kofield he was a huge hit and it was

brilliant and and we wanted to to happen back especially for this

season where we're talking about what does it look like to be a healthy

person and how do we do this and so Jim why don't you start with a little bit about what you do and really why you do it?

Certainly.

Well, it's delightful to be able to talk about this with you. I, what I do is we care for the souls of Christian leaders is simply put.

We try to offer pastoral care that is psychologically sensitive, historically informed,

biblically based, and relacially focused.

So there are a lot, there's a lot of discouragement especially in a COVID world a lot of good people just tired

where it seems like we're all tired wanting things to move on and a lot of division over things that we shouldn't divide over.

So and people are discouraged over that. So we just try to give them a safe place and hear their stories and try to keep them in in the battle, so to speak.

The reason I do this is because I was in pastoral ministry for almost 25 years and I know the my

wife and I know the kind of that the scars the wounds the feeling like you're running out of gas, feeling like you can't do it anymore,

the feeling of sabotaging. We just, we've been there done that kind of thing.

And we, cross point we long to help people help people find help before things get desperate, I guess is what I try to say.

Yeah.

I want to go behind the curtain of your brain,

and let's just go to the moment that somebody walks in your office

and they're sharing burnout symptoms, right?

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