Hello friends welcome back to another episode of Theology and the Raw. I have on the show today

the one and only Matt Chandler. Matt is a well-known pastor speaker writer. He has been the pastor at

village church for 18 years out of Texas and is also the president of acts 29 ministries and Matt is

I've got no Matt over the years at various conferences and we've kept up just kind of through

I don't know social media emails and texting and so on and just it was really just super impressed

with the guy. He's one of my favorite preachers I absolutely love I've been a huge fan of Matt for a

long time but it's been even more impressed with just him as a person as I've gotten to know him over

the last few years so in this episode I wanted Matt to help us navigate the polarization that is

just crushed the church over the last couple of years through pandemics and politics and so on

and so forth and so that's kind of the focus of our conversation and I thought

a lot of really just helpful and wise things to say so please welcome to the show for the first

time you want to know Matt Chandler.

All right hey friends welcome back to another episode I'm here with Matt Chandler Matt thanks so

much for being on theology in the raw dude listen theology in the raw is my thing Preston

all the cool kids are into it that's true I mean I want to have you on to talk about like

10 different things but the main thing I would love to hear your voice speak into is is just

church climate discipleship politics the last two years COVID pastoring I mean

wrap all that up in the one that's it that's it yeah yeah can you every sit here okay here's

here's my entry to my question every single pastor I talked to says the polarization and the

the the difficulty the polarization that is erupted in my church and the difficulty in

discipling people through all of that has been the hardest thing I've ever faced in my entire

ministry life every single time I mean all interpell across the country independent has that

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