Hey friends, welcome back to another episode of Theology in the Raw.

Okay, we got a bit of backstory on this current podcast episode.

A few months ago, as some of you remember, I had Samuel say on the podcast, and Samuel

takes a more, I guess, for like other terms, a more conservative approach to the race conversation.

And we had a great conversation on the podcast, and I got a lot of interesting responses after

that podcast. Some loved it, some hated it. Some, you know, were really provoked into thinking.

And one of the more common responses I got was, man, I would love to hear somebody who doesn't

agree with Samuel on some or a lot of what he says to be able to to respond in real time on the

podcast. And so that is where this podcast came in. I reached out to some friends of mine,

a lot of people recommended that I get Rasul Berry on the podcast to dialogue with Samuel say,

so that's where we are. This podcast did go very long. And as you will see,

there's, it could have been three times the length too. Like we actually, you can hear me at the

end. I had to cut it short because I had another podcast person waiting. And so I had to,

I had to end the conversation. But, you know, it was, it was, it's really helpful, I think,

to get two people in conversation with each other to see where do they agree? Where do they disagree?

Why do they disagree? How are they defining their terms? Where are they? Maybe misunderstanding

where each other is coming from? So I really enjoyed this conversation. I think you will

to Rasul serves as a teaching pastor at the bridge church in Brooklyn. And as a team member with

his embark, a nonprofit focused on millennials. He graduated from the University of Pennsylvania

with a degree in African studies and sociology. Samuel say, as you may recall from our previous

podcast together is he was born in Ghana, moved to Canadian, he moved to Canada when he was young,

so he was a Canadian citizen. And he speaks and writes a lot on racial cultural political issues

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