I'm Molly Wansall and I'm Geoffrey Wansel and for the last 16 years or thereabouts we have been having lunch every Saturday and often our conversation turns to murder and that's what's prompted us to launch this true crime podcast called Blood Ties.

Hi everyone, welcome back to the Blood Ties podcast. I'm Molly Wantsall and I'm here with my father, Jeffrey Wansall.

Hello everyone. Thank you for listening. Welcome back. Delight to be with you as always.

And it's rather sunny today, Mo. It's rather sunny. Nice. Nice. Nice day.

What nice things of you? Can i ask you about something i really

can't i can't well i'm the g7 summit is happening now but when we listen you listen to this

it will have been the week before um i can't stop thinking about this woman Anne Succulis.

And Succulis, yes, and the Harry Dunn killing.

Yeah.

I can't imagine what it would be like to kill a 17-year-old boy.

I mean, you know, unless she was drunk, she was driving on the wrong side of the road, right?

Because for whatever reason, we don't know. But I can't imagine doing that as like a grown woman or man and then not taking responsibility.

Like I just don't understand how you could live your, I would go, Matt.

I mean, I would be so ill if I did that.

Well, she's been doorsteped a couple of times in America by British journalists, and she's

brushed it off both times, refused to talk to them.

So no.

No.

Did you hear the story about what President Trump did to them?

Yes.

And then, and invited them to the White House.

And they didn't know that the family, like eight weeks after this boy had been killed. And they didn't know they'd be meeting him. They thought they were just seeing a diplomat. And then they met him. And then he said, oh, yeah, she's in, she's next door. And Secoulis is in the next room. Yeah. What, like, I mean, I thought it was a prick anyway, but like, who does that?

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