I'm Molly Wansall and I'm Geoffrey Wansall and for the last 16 years or thereabouts we have been

having lunch every Saturday and often our conversation turns to murder and that's what's prompted us to

launch this true crime podcast called blood ties. Hi everyone welcome back to the blood ties podcast I'm Molly Wansall and I'm here with my father, Geoffrey Wansall.

Hello everyone. Thank you as ever for listening. It's a privilege to talk to you every week. I enjoy it more and more. Something to look forward to.

I just seem to do more and more murder, Mo.

I know you do.

It's a lot of it about...

Or a Laura murder.

Yeah.

Someone did ask me actually this week, how I managed it.

I was in a car and the driver said, how do you manage all this?

And I said, well, it just kind of happened to to me I didn't sort of set out thinking oh I tell

you what why don't we know I don't know become a specialist in true crime hmm it's funny how

your career can bend and flex isn't it yeah absolutely I mean yes I just takes my breath away, really. I think that the interesting

psychological question is don't let it prey on your mind. Because I think if you let it pray

on your mind, it would be very damaging indeed. You have to see it

and I see it as a storytelling and you're trying to recount something which is often very painful

and sometimes truly horrifying but you can't allow yourself to bathe in it you You've got to try and take a step or two back,

which I hope we managed to do in this podcast.

Oh, in the way that you tell the stories for sure,

but more to do with your own people of mind.

Well, I think it would be fair to say that, yes, true crimes changed me, but I don't think

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