S9 Ep 9: The Pinball Machine

Breakdown

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Politics, News, True Crime

4.6 • 2.7K Ratings

🗓️ 25 August 2022

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

AJC journalists Bill Rankin and Tamar Hallerman focus on former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani's grand jury appearance and U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham's attempts to avoid his testimony by the Fulton County special purpose grand jury of former President Donald Trump and his allies for what happened in Georgia after the 2020 presidential election. Giuliani, who has been Trump's personal lawyer, showed up at the Fulton courthouse to testify before the grand jury after his lawyers had tried unsuccessfully to postpone it. Graham, who placed two phone calls to the Secretary of State's office in the weeks after the election, was scheduled to testify before the special grand jury on Tuesday. But the federal appeals court in Atlanta - the fifth court so far to be involved in Graham's case - stepped in two days before the South Carolina senator was to appear and delayed his appearance. Rankin and Hallerman also cover the dustup between Gov. Brian Kemp and the Fulton District Attorney's Office and decisions by judges in Colorado and New Mexico ordering two other lawyers who represented the Trump campaign to come to Atlanta and testify before the grand jury. You can download the Breakdown podcast from Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or your favorite podcasting platform. You can also stream it on your computer from ajc.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	It's worth knowing which really going on.
0:04.0	This is the Atlanta Journal Constitution.
0:08.0	Previously on Breakdown.
0:14.0	I don't think I'm disclosing anything I shouldn't because I think it's in a filing.
0:18.0	Is that the medical professional said that Mr. Giuliani is not cleared for air travel.
0:24.0	I am John Madden drove all over the country and his big bus from stadium to stadium.
0:30.0	So one thing we need to explore is whether Mr. Giuliani could get here without jeopardizing his recovery and his health,
0:38.0	on a train, on a bus, or a poover, whatever it would be.
0:42.0	Let's do a contrast.
0:44.0	There's one guy that starts a university that just ripped working people off.
0:50.0	Right? Is one guy that is a fraudster. We all agree with that.
0:54.0	I mean, every day is like discovery in a federal case.
0:58.0	All right?
1:00.0	And then there's another guy that starts a school for free.
1:06.0	And so the one guy that's decent and that gives back is told to shut up and just dribble.
1:16.0	And then after that we asked again, and they again refused.
1:20.0	And when we pointed out that they had given that information to all of these alternate electors,
1:26.0	they said that that was true, but they've since changed their mind.
1:30.0	I've never heard that excuse from the EASO officer, US Attorney's Office,
1:34.0	but that was their position, they changed their mind.
1:36.0	Well, if that's true, then I guess they changed their mind yet again today,
1:42.0	when they picked up the phone and called Bill Thomas and told them that.
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